You made an error in reading Plato's Republic. It's not Odysseus who is made into a monkey (or ape), but Thersites. Odysseus is wise enough to have learned from his life that he does not want to seek fame and fortune in the next life, but rather one who lives a quiet and just life (minding his own business):
"Far off in the rear he saw the soul of the buffoon Thersites clothing itself in the body of an ape. And it fell out that the soul of Odysseus drew the last lot of all and came to make its choice, and, from memory of its former toils having flung away ambition, went about for a long time in quest of the life of an ordinary citizen who minded his own business, and with difficulty found it lying in some corner disregarded by the others, [620d] and upon seeing it said that it would have done the same had it drawn the first lot, and chose it gladly."
I like to call everything life, there is no after, just the present moment. What we do now "echoes in eternity." Thus our emotions are what we carry with us, and why our subconscious and its reprogramming is how we can live a better life now - which affects all realms. Thoughts?
I think that early Greek religion, i.e. Homeric, is the most accurate and realistic between all religions in Ancient Greece. I, like Nietzsche, am an atheist. Logically, knowing that there is no afterlife, I am inclined to agree with Homer's perspective on religion. Very little time needs to be spent discussing the afterlife, because there is no afterlife.
I see now why Nietzsche liked and preferred Ancient Greek society and Homer the most, compared to
Socrates or Christianity. I think the Ancient Greek perspective on life was more human and actual compared to other religions and societies.
After life comes death, which has it's own afterlife. To die, but survive death, provides a glimpse few can describe without experiencing death's context or explanation, nor understanding it's time and place in one's life. The conscious existence united in living life, for it is dark in death until the light returns to reveal the afterlife. For some it's just a continuation of life changed, but not ended. All others their afterlife we'll never know, they died.
I find the notion that our virtues and vices on earth have no correlation to the afterlife intriguing. Pre-Christian morality, like the Iliad and Odyssey.
May this note find us all ever closer to God, and His Peace.
Most of my life - from 5th grade - I learned Science, and 7th Grade took up computer programing, and use rationality to fend-off too Callings to Religious life, at Puberty and at about 25 yo.
About 6-7 years ago I was Inspired to enter the Catholic Church, and about 3 years ago the Traditional Catholic Church (the non-Modernist Poisoned, the 2024 years old version) and learning Theology.
A few years ago I started Traditional Catholic Apologetics defining everything in terms of the Science we have today. There are different versions of the Passion in Gospel because Jesus lived (as we all do) in each level of Jaccob's Ladder, for example. A Many Worlds multiverse, and Simulation Theory, etc.
I decided to do such Apologetics that contains Doctrines of the Church, but do no claim Truth, just that if could have been this or that, and challenge to do better. In part because had I seen this many years ago, I likely would have Converted then - or after some Catholic Catechises to learn enough to work-with.
This does not answer your inquiry, but it is a start, and perhaps if know some-or-alot of Science and Catholic dogma, then you can try.
You made an error in reading Plato's Republic. It's not Odysseus who is made into a monkey (or ape), but Thersites. Odysseus is wise enough to have learned from his life that he does not want to seek fame and fortune in the next life, but rather one who lives a quiet and just life (minding his own business):
"Far off in the rear he saw the soul of the buffoon Thersites clothing itself in the body of an ape. And it fell out that the soul of Odysseus drew the last lot of all and came to make its choice, and, from memory of its former toils having flung away ambition, went about for a long time in quest of the life of an ordinary citizen who minded his own business, and with difficulty found it lying in some corner disregarded by the others, [620d] and upon seeing it said that it would have done the same had it drawn the first lot, and chose it gladly."
Eu Prattein
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I like to call everything life, there is no after, just the present moment. What we do now "echoes in eternity." Thus our emotions are what we carry with us, and why our subconscious and its reprogramming is how we can live a better life now - which affects all realms. Thoughts?
I absolutely agree with you. There is no past and no future. There is only now and what we make it. Even after we die, that's it. Game over.
What do we do with that? How do we contend with death? We accept it. It's the end.
What does that mean? Don't waste your life. It can always be cut short. Case in point, Buddy Holly.
I think that early Greek religion, i.e. Homeric, is the most accurate and realistic between all religions in Ancient Greece. I, like Nietzsche, am an atheist. Logically, knowing that there is no afterlife, I am inclined to agree with Homer's perspective on religion. Very little time needs to be spent discussing the afterlife, because there is no afterlife.
I see now why Nietzsche liked and preferred Ancient Greek society and Homer the most, compared to
Socrates or Christianity. I think the Ancient Greek perspective on life was more human and actual compared to other religions and societies.
After life comes death, which has it's own afterlife. To die, but survive death, provides a glimpse few can describe without experiencing death's context or explanation, nor understanding it's time and place in one's life. The conscious existence united in living life, for it is dark in death until the light returns to reveal the afterlife. For some it's just a continuation of life changed, but not ended. All others their afterlife we'll never know, they died.
I find the notion that our virtues and vices on earth have no correlation to the afterlife intriguing. Pre-Christian morality, like the Iliad and Odyssey.
May this note find us all ever closer to God, and His Peace.
Most of my life - from 5th grade - I learned Science, and 7th Grade took up computer programing, and use rationality to fend-off too Callings to Religious life, at Puberty and at about 25 yo.
About 6-7 years ago I was Inspired to enter the Catholic Church, and about 3 years ago the Traditional Catholic Church (the non-Modernist Poisoned, the 2024 years old version) and learning Theology.
A few years ago I started Traditional Catholic Apologetics defining everything in terms of the Science we have today. There are different versions of the Passion in Gospel because Jesus lived (as we all do) in each level of Jaccob's Ladder, for example. A Many Worlds multiverse, and Simulation Theory, etc.
I decided to do such Apologetics that contains Doctrines of the Church, but do no claim Truth, just that if could have been this or that, and challenge to do better. In part because had I seen this many years ago, I likely would have Converted then - or after some Catholic Catechises to learn enough to work-with.
This does not answer your inquiry, but it is a start, and perhaps if know some-or-alot of Science and Catholic dogma, then you can try.
God Bless., Steve