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David W. Zoll's avatar

Excellent. Interesting how this touches on the Free Will debate. Here is my current thought: We may not have free will but we must act as if we do. Knowing that everything is fated does not remove our obligation to act as if it weren’t. If you are fated to adopt the Lazy attitude then so be it. In any event it’s a lot less stressful knowing that whatever will be will be.

Bonnevile_Rider's avatar

I think it’s a matter of perspective and logic.

I agree with you that if we continue down the logical path of cause and effect then free will might not be real.

However, does the argument account for the whole or reality. What is reality in itself. Free will and consciousness are intertwined. The research on quantum waves and their collapse are beginning to show us the fundamentals of reality.

That is consciousness is fundamental of reality.

Now the two theories bring us to a world with God or no God but

Infinity itself is still the answer.

I prefer the idea that in any moment of time and space God i.e infinity outside of our reality is allowing for our consciousness to execute our decisions.

kati SG's avatar

This reminds me of an islamic story ,that mirrors this thought. A man went to pray and asked someone to watch over his horse. While praying, he thought, “I’ll give him ten coins as a reward.” But when he came out, the man ,and the horse,were gone.Later, he found the same man in the market, selling the horse for ten coins.

It was written that this man would get ten coins from . He could’ve taken em, Instead, he took the horse and sold it for that same amount. The fate was fixed ,the only difference was how we got meaning We can’t control what’s destined, but we do control how we meet it

PAUL LIFE's avatar

There is no fate, there is only the karmic law of cause and effect.